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hello and welcome to episode number 82

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always I am your host EXO academian

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the Enigma noticed the UFO phenomenon is

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compelling for numerous reasons one of

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those reasons is that this phenomenon

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has been attested to by Witnesses and

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experiencers over long periods of modern

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history

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and furthermore once you get past the

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surface veneer of the way people have

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categorized slashed interpreted these

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phenomena differently over time because

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of different cultural expectations one

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can make a convincing argument as jaw

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filet and others have in fact done that

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this phenomenon has been with us since

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the beginning of time sometimes

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interpreted as gauze come down from the

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Heavens to parade in front of we mere

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mortals and more recently as advanced

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technological civilizations visiting us

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from far-flung destinations such as Zeta

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reticuli and Alpha Centauri on

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scientific Expeditions and the like

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another of the key elements of data LED

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in Credence to the notion that this

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phenomenon is as real as green grass in

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the spring and plasma erupting from the

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Sun is that it is attested to across the

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world even in cultures significantly the

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forest from the typical modernist and

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physicalist conceptions found in Western

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Civilization

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whenever we can show cross-cultural

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support for this phenomenon we can more

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confidently conclude that this is not

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simply a construct based on the

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expectations of any particular people

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group indeed the fact that the

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interpretation of sightings and

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interactions with the others have

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differed somewhat in different parts of

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the world over time actually lends

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critics to the notion that underlyingly

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beyond that surface veneer of

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categorization and interpretation

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something is really there legitimately

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being encountered and interacted with

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armchair Skeptics will at times argue

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that this is simply a North American and

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European phenomenon implying it really

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is merely a cultural construct after all

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the imaginative fruit of the consumption

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of too many X-Files episodes and the

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like

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now while it is statistically true that

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we have more data from these locations

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it's important to point out that much of

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this can likely be attributed to the

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fact that some data Gathering efforts

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haven't happened to the same degree in

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other places and that even the cultural

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expectations of some of those other

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consonants are such that what is a

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paradigm shaking moment for a modern

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North American or european might not be

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for someone from an indigenous

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population for example

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after all why make a big deal of an

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event that has been normalized in a

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particular culture for generations and

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one can make the argument that this is

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indeed the case in various indigenous

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populations around the world

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as I mentioned some of the discrepancy

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in the regularity of reports from

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different parts of the globe can be

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reduced to the fact that the search

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simply hasn't been conducted with equal

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dedication around the world

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furthermore cultural differences and

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language issues have added to this

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challenge

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thankfully we do have Pioneer

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researchers working to address this

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problem

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Artie six killer clerk is one such

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pioneer as a professor emeritus at

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Montana State University and former

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director of the center for bilingual

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slash Multicultural education Clark who

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is Cherokee slash Choctaw herself has

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dedicated Decades of her life to

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investigating sightings of UFOs and

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interactions with various forms of alien

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and non-conventionally human beings in

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parts of the globe long neglected

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in today's episode we're going to

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consider the astounding reports Clark

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was able to gather during her trips

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through mesoamerica a region comprising

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the modern day countries of Northern

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Salvador Guatemala Belize and Central to

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southern Mexico

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not only do the accounts clerk gathered

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make clear the fact that UFO's sightings

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and interactions with actual beings are

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every much as common perhaps even more

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so there as compared to here but they

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also raise very interesting

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possibilities regarding the very origins

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of some of these people groups and

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specifically the mayaf could the Maya

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themselves not only be the recipients of

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the traditions of a so-called ancient

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alien civilization but perhaps even

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their very descendants

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these are the very fascinating matters

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we'll Endeavor to engage with head on in

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this the 82nd episode of the point of

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I'd like to begin this week's podcast

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with just a couple of announcements

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first of all a reminder that I will be

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speaking at the Ohio UFO Heritage

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conference which is coming up on May 5th

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and 6th of this year at the historic

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Hope Hotel at Wright-Patterson Air Force

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Base very excited about this conference

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I think it's going to be an amazing

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event and I hope you can join me and the

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other speakers there again coming up on

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May 5th and 6th of this year just over a

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okay let's get into today's topic now we

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are talking about encounters documented

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encounters between people living in

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mesoamerica and various forms of

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non-human intelligence alien beings and

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the like these encounters are documented

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in a book by already six killer clerk

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titled Sky people Untold Stories of

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alien encounters in mesoamerica

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and this is how that book is described

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quote Dr Arty's six killer clerk author

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of encounters with star people vowed as

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a teenager to follow in the footsteps of

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two 19th century explorers John L

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Stevens and Frederick cartherwood who

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brought the ancient Maya cities to the

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world's attention Dr Clark set out on a

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seven year Adventure from 2003 through

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2010 through Belize Honduras Guatemala

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and Mexico collecting stories of

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encounters Sky Gods Giants little people

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and aliens among the indigenous people

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she drove more than twelve thousand

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miles visiting 89 archaeological sites

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Stevenson carther wood visited only 44

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and conducting nearly 100 individual

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interviews the result is an enthralling

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series of unique original true stories

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of encounters with space Travelers

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Giants little people and UFOs Sky people

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may very well change the way you

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perceive and experience the war World

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now as I said at the outset often

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Skeptics complain that all accounts

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about the UFO phenomenon rise from North

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now this is not for a lack of data I

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would suggest but for a lack of

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investigation and again Dr Clark has

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done invaluable work in being the boots

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on the ground investigator to gather

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these accounts from the other America

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mesoamerica in this particular case

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with so-called anecdotal evidence I've

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raised this before but it's worth doing

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so again because there are some new

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listeners and I think it Bears repeating

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because this is a really important point

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when it comes to scientific

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kind of data and evidence involving

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witness testimony

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and it's very important to point out

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here that while any individual witness

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account may be less than convincing when

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you have numerous thousands tens of

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thousands hundreds of thousands of

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reports over time that there are

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striking resemblance to each other

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meaning that different aspects of the

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accounts are very similar even when

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these people didn't know each other and

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sometimes when they're coming from very

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different cultures and have had no real

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interest in the UFO phenomenon prior to

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their encounters then this together

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creates a very compelling data set each

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of those accounts is a data point which

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together create a data set which is very

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convincing very compelling and something

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that scientists do consider in other

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forms of Investigation so that should

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definitely be the case with the UFO

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phenomenon so sometimes again armchair

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Skeptics may say well that doesn't count

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that's just anecdotal but again that's

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not really the case here because we have

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numerous accounts containing again

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numerous repeating elements

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which suggests when taken in Toto and

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this is really something real in our

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environment something that is repeatable

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and does repeat itself even in the

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experience of very different kinds of

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people so this is compelling evidence

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and we should take it seriously

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now again what's interesting here in

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this case today is we're finally hearing

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about really compelling data coming from

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places other than North America and

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Europe and not only that but some of the

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history of some of these other people

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groups

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and she leads us to beg the question

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could their very history their very

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origins in fact be somehow connected to

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these people groups these Sky people

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that are encountered there and there's

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reasons why we would suggest this might

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be the case and we'll get to that later

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in this episode much of it has to do

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with what these people remember being

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told by some of these beings some of

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their lore goes back generations and

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generations and generations again we

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often don't hear about this in North

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America and Europe in the western world

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but they actually hold these details as

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part of their shared understood

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cherished history

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now just because it's part of their

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understood history doesn't mean we

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should necessarily take that as the

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so-called gospel truth we should

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investigate we should consider it

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amongst other possibilities

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but while that's the case I would also

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just bring to your attention that the

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conventional archaeological slash

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anthropological mainstream also very

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often presents a narrative that includes

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elements that are not really approvable

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and much of it is based on supposition

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things that are just assumed to be the

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case and because they hold the sway in

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our culture today we assume sometimes

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they have more evidence for these

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Notions than they actually do when you

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really dive into it again this is where

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some of the controversy Rises over

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people like Graham Hancock who when he

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looks at the evidence in prehistory even

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what he concludes is that we see

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evidence of sophisticated civilizations

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present on the earth prior to any kind

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of date that would be acknowledged or

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even made possible by the conventional

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mainstream

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likes to present this notion that this

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narrative that we have incremental

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linear progress over time going from

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zero up to where we are today as a

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modern sophisticated human civilization

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Hancock and others have suggested this

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is a bit of a false narrative or at

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least a narrative that's constructed on

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as many holes as some other narratives

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and again Hancock when he looks at the

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evidence sees suggestion that there were

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sophisticated civilizations present on

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the earth prior to what we would

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consider point zero so to speak the

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beginning of human history in other

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words now in that same vein Dr Clark in

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this book and some of her other books is

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suggesting that perhaps the very origins

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of some different people groups are not

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what we think they are they're not what

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we've been told they are and I really

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think there's something to this when I'm

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honest with you when I look at what I've

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seen I really do question this notion

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that all human beings have the exact

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same Source I think we actually might

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have energetic imprints overlays as part

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of our background even from different

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species including species that may not

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be limited to terrestrial Origins

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so again much of the archaeological

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anthropological mainstream I think is

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based on some assumptions and when you

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undo some of those assumptions some

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other possibilities come into the mix so

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I think we should really consider what

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Dr Clark has to say here and we can look

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at the reasons why she draws the

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conclusion she does and go from there

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so without further Ado let's dive into

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some of the accounts the fascinating

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accounts contained in this book Sky

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people

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now as we dive into these accounts let's

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keep in mind who we're talking about

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here many atheist accounts are shared by

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the Maya now the Maya are an ancient

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people group that developed one of the

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most advanced civilizations in the

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Americas long ago

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they developed a written language of

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hieroglyphs and the mathematical concept

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of zero and they did this 2 000 years

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ago

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in addition they had expertise in

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astronomy and again mathematics and they

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developed a complex and accurate

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calendar system

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they were also known for elaborate

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ceremonial architecture such as pyramids

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temples palaces and observatories now

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these structures were built apparently

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without metal tools which is a Marvel in

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itself

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so again this is one of the pieces of

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evidence that Clark would have us

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consider and others would have us

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consider

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the point being if it's true that we

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have this linear incremental progress in

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history why do we see evidence of

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ancient cultures like the Maya who seem

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to have developed such a sophisticated

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civilization far before we really think

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that is possible again according to the

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conventional mainstream

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now as I mentioned in the introduction

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one data point that is found across the

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world that really lends Credence to the

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notion that these things really were

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happening is that we see them arising

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co-arising in different parts of the

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world bearing striking resemblance to

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each other one of these Notions that we

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hear about in different parts of the

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world is the arising of some kind of

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species that seemed to be Giants much

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larger than typical humankind we of

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course see this mentioned in the Old

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Testament in the Bible in reference to a

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group known as the Nephilim who also

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were involved with mating with human

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females producing so-called hybrids of

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course they weren't called hybrids when

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you read about that in the Bible but

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when you think about the notion it's

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almost exactly the same as what we hear

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about in the modern UFO phenomenon where

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people are abducted contacted whatever

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you want to call it and then later on

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hybrid beings appear that seem to be

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very much half human half alien of some

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variety

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well Dr Clark also encounters those

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kinds of tales those kinds of narratives

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when she investigates Encounters in

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mesoamerica we're going to discuss one

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of those right now

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and quoting here in this chapter Gabriel

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tells his story of blue-skinned men

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unquote

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again quote when I was a boy I always

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heard rumors and stories of Space Giants

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I grew up in the Kaio District where

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bearing Creek cave is located it is a

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complex cave with hundreds of

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passageways where over time different

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visitors and inhabitants including the

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Maya and the Space Giants lived my

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grandfather told me that in his youth he

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saw the Giants just outside the town of

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San Ignacio

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that would have been in the 1880s I

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believe

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unquote now this person goes on to

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describe finding a skull when he was a

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child it was much too large to be the

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skull of a man they actually brought it

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to his grandfather who was shocked and

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Afraid when he saw the skull because it

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reminded him of these Giants and again

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these Giants were known to do some

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things that were somewhat nefarious and

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you'll soon find out why

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quoting from the book again quote we

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took the skull back to the village and

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reported to my grandfather I read the

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fear on his face but he said nothing

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then afternoon we took the skull into

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the forest and buried it for safe

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keeping that made my grandfather happier

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months later we heard of a wise man up

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near the Guatemalan border who knew of

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such things we made the journey and took

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the skull to him he said it was a space

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giant but from the blue kind the blue

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kind what does that mean

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the blue kind where the blue skin Giants

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of the old stories told thousands of

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years ago the blue skin Giants were

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different because they had eyes in the

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front of their head and in the sides

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what did the wise man tell you about the

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blue skin Giants

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he said they were diminishing a number

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and that they were becoming extinct that

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is the reason they stole women they were

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trying to preserve their race unquote

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now again if a typical person on the

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street were to hear the story they would

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say it's a quaint story a nice story

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perhaps even a scary story but one

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that's just that a story based on

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Fantastical lore but again that just

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brings your attention they only think

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about the modern UFO phenomenon many of

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the encounters are quite similar

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certainly the element about both women

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and men being taken and then their

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genetic material being extracted the

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reproductive material being extracted

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eggs in the case of women and sperm in

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the case of men in order to actually

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generate these hybrid beings this is

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very much part of the modern UFO

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phenomenon and in fact it's one of the

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most well-attested elements of the UFO

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phenomenon literature

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furthermore as I already pointed out we

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also have very similar encounters

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depicted in the Bible a holy book a

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sacred group of texts that billions of

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people around the world uses their

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guidebook for life and they actually

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believe history is based on the couch to

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sundry or another of this book this

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collection of books we call the Bible

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colloquially

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well again what does that say perhaps

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this is really attesting to something

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that really has been happening not just

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in ancient days and biblical days or in

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ancient lore described in Mesoamerican

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history but actually even today that

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this is ongoingly happening and this is

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right under the noses of our modern

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sophisticated

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science-centric civilization that

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believes that such things couldn't be

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anything more than fairy tales but again

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if that's all they are why are they so

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well attested to all across the world

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and why is it coming for Witnesses even

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today that by any standard are the most

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credible kind of witnesses you could

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find

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all right let's move on to the next

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account as depicted in Rd Clark's book

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Sky people Untold Stories of alien

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encounters in mesoamerica

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now this next account also has elements

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within it that mirrors so much of the

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modern UFO phenomenon including missing

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time and encounters with beings that

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appear decidedly insectoid for lack of a

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better term

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quoting from this chapter the insect man

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quote last month it was very early

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morning I left my home about 6 a.m I

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wanted to get to the city when the shops

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opened so I could return to the

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restaurant before dinner time the drive

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is monotonous I became sleepy and

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decided to pull out the side of the road

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walk around and smoke a cigarette my

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drive had been uneventful and I was

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ahead of schedule he paused fished a

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cigarette out of a pack in his front

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shirt pocket lit it and took a long drag

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releasing the smoke slowly

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the sum was coming up the air was still

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and it was cool he paused shipped from

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the glass of sangria and inhaled his

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cigarette I was standing just in front

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of the van looking toward the South when

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I saw something out of the corner of my

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eye at first I thought it was an

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airplane and I became frightened it was

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very low and I thought it was going to

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crash when it came my way I realized

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there were no wings it was like a big

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gasoline tank and as it soared over me I

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00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,240
dropped to my knees for fear it would

560
00:20:55,789 --> 00:20:53,700
strike me dead for several moments I

561
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:55,799
couldn't move I wondered how I could fly

562
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,039
without wings Enrique paused again when

563
00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:00,720
one of his waiters approached him with a

564
00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:03,000
question he excused himself and left the

565
00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:04,500
lounge I looked around at the other

566
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,840
tourists a busload of 20-something

567
00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:08,400
French tourists had arrived at the hotel

568
00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:10,260
earlier in the day and it looked as

569
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:11,640
though most of them were sitting at the

570
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:14,160
bar engaged in loud conversation several

571
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:15,900
minutes past before Enrique returned

572
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:19,080
sorry doctor a problem in the kitchen he

573
00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:20,820
seated himself across from me again and

574
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,620
called for another sangria

575
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:24,480
could you tell me more about the UFO I

576
00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:25,320
asked

577
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:27,900
it was a long tank-like craft if you've

578
00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:29,820
ever seen a gasoline tanker that

579
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,220
delivers gas to the stations it was like

580
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,620
that only about five times as long and

581
00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:37,200
three times as round it was huge it was

582
00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:38,820
bigger than my Village if it was

583
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:40,980
stretched from one end to the other

584
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:43,740
what color was it it was a dull gray

585
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:45,960
there were a few small indentations near

586
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:48,059
the top I thought they were windows but

587
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,220
it couldn't see lights maybe they can

588
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,559
see out but we cannot see them he said

589
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:54,240
when I realized there were no wings I

590
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,980
was in shock but the biggest shock came

591
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:58,080
when it flew by me and it made no noise

592
00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:00,600
a plane would Roar but there was nothing

593
00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:02,280
only the wind that Disturbed the

594
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:03,780
colonists of the morning

595
00:22:08,029 --> 00:22:06,120
was there anything else you can remember

596
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,039
the strangest thing was that as I was

597
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:09,600
watching it it seemed to have vanished

598
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:11,400
before my eyes and then reappear again

599
00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:14,280
it did this twice once when it was

600
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:15,720
flowing north to south and then again

601
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,120
when it flew south to North when it came

602
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:19,980
back the second time it vanished almost

603
00:22:24,289 --> 00:22:22,200
right in front of me that is when I knew

604
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:24,299
for sure it was a UFO

605
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:26,039
can you tell me anything else about the

606
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:26,940
craft

607
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,100
I decided to hide behind the van I

608
00:22:33,169 --> 00:22:31,140
didn't want to be abducted I've heard

609
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,179
they'd take you and do experiments I

610
00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:34,799
didn't want to lose my job because of a

611
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,620
UFO at the same time I was very excited

612
00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,840
actually seeing a UFO is very exciting

613
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,640
and I kept thinking they don't even know

614
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,159
I'm here he paused and laughed nervously

615
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:46,380
Enrique took another drink of sangria

616
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:49,020
and offered to refresh my glass did

617
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,299
something else happen I asked

618
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:53,280
I watched until the craft was out of

619
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:54,900
sight thinking to myself that they did

620
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,940
not know I was there or he turned to the

621
00:23:00,529 --> 00:22:58,679
driver's side of the van that's when I

622
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,539
heard what I thought was a car door slam

623
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:02,400
I turned because I thought someone else

624
00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:03,960
had seen the UFO

625
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,179
that's when I saw two rolling balls of

626
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,880
light they Blinded Me I raised my arm to

627
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,320
Shield my eyes

628
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,419
Enrique lifted his arms to show me how

629
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,520
he had covered his eyes he leaned back

630
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:16,080
in his chair and lit another cigarette

631
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:17,820
From the Ashes of the existing cigarette

632
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,020
in his hand

633
00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:20,880
do you want to continue

634
00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:22,679
oh yes I'm just trying to remember every

635
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:25,500
detail this is important isn't it yes I

636
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:27,539
replied take your time

637
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,159
suddenly I was aware that the lights

638
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:31,200
were no longer shining and dropped my

639
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:32,820
arm and came face to face with two

640
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:35,340
creatures who walked out of the balls of

641
00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:37,500
light I called them creatures because

642
00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:39,539
that is what they were even though they

643
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,400
had two arms and two legs they were not

644
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,159
human they were shorter than Me Enrique

645
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:46,799
is approximately five six they had funny

646
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:48,659
skin it looked like the color of these

647
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,340
ashes he said as he pointed to the

648
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,380
ashtray on the table somewhere between

649
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,960
white and gray their heads were pointed

650
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:57,179
at a chin their arms and legs were very

651
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:58,679
skinny making me think they were

652
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,260
children at least at first but the truth

653
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:03,840
is they looked like insects nothing more

654
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,580
than big bugs

655
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:07,860
you said the creatures look like insects

656
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:10,020
can you tell me anything else about them

657
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:12,179
they were wearing strange suits they

658
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:14,280
blended with the environment some way if

659
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:15,720
they stood in front of a bush they'd

660
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,640
look like the bush if they stood in the

661
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,500
dirt they look like the dirt whatever

662
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,080
was behind them they Blended I knew they

663
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,360
were aliens and I ran for the van that's

664
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:25,919
when the balls of flight appeared and

665
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,380
the creatures disappeared the UFO moved

666
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,000
over me and stayed there a few feet

667
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:32,340
above me there was a sickening smell and

668
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:35,340
I think I lost Consciousness unquote

669
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:37,080
now I'm sure you noted there that the

670
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:39,299
description of these beings fit many of

671
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:40,740
the descriptions we hear from North

672
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:42,299
America and Europe

673
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:43,980
furthermore he describes these

674
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:45,720
sophisticated suits they were wearing

675
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:48,659
that actually seemed to offer camouflage

676
00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:50,100
in other words they would blend in

677
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,780
against whatever background they were

678
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:53,039
standing against

679
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,659
now at the end of the account there you

680
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:56,640
notice that Enrique talks about losing

681
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:59,460
Consciousness what he came to there

682
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:01,080
actually was numerous hours that had

683
00:25:05,149 --> 00:25:03,000
gone by that he could not account for so

684
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,159
even though it fell to him almost

685
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,960
seamless he realized there was actually

686
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,940
numerous hours had gone by in between

687
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:10,679
that he couldn't account for and

688
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:12,120
actually got in trouble with his boss

689
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:14,460
when he returned because he was so late

690
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,340
from his trip so again this mirrors much

691
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:19,620
of the accounts we hear about in modern

692
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:23,100
day North America and Europe as well

693
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:24,840
now we're going to jump forward into the

694
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:26,520
book to another chapter where we not

695
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:28,380
only encounter people seeing strange

696
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:30,840
phenomena in the sky but we also hear

697
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,299
first mention of this notion in the

698
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:35,580
Mayan lore that they actually are the

699
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,460
descendants of some of these Sky people

700
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:41,279
from that chapter quote people who have

701
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,580
been abducted by UFOs are usually called

702
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:46,799
abductees or experiencers due to a lack

703
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:48,419
of physical evidence the majority of

704
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:49,620
scientists and mental health

705
00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:52,140
professionals dismiss the phenomenon as

706
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:54,539
fantasy proneness false memory syndrome

707
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:57,779
sleep paralysis Psychopathology and a

708
00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:00,840
variety of environmental factors Dr John

709
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:03,080
E Mack respected Harvard University

710
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:05,640
psychiatrist devoted a substantial

711
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:07,320
amount of time to investigating such

712
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,659
cases he found that in the most

713
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:11,760
compelling cases his patients suffered

714
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,580
from post-traumatic stress syndrome as

715
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,380
he noted this would imply that his

716
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,659
patients genuinely believed that they

717
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:20,880
remembered their abductions in this

718
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:22,380
chapter you will read stories about

719
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:24,840
abduction from villagers who live near

720
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,520
Palenque town

721
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:29,159
unquote now we're going to jump further

722
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,900
into that chapter where she discusses

723
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,480
encounters with one particular person

724
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,600
quote on my third visit to Palenque I

725
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,120
was unable to locate Manolo so I hired a

726
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,240
god named Pax a full-blooded Maya Pax

727
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:44,159
was a small worry man who spoke near

728
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,140
perfect English as he ushered me around

729
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:48,600
the site his back was slightly hunched

730
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:50,760
as he walked with a definite limp he

731
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,020
told me he had been working at the

732
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:54,419
Palenque ruins for almost 40 years and

733
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:55,860
that it was getting more difficult to

734
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:58,200
obtain clients because of his age

735
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:00,419
as we slowly walk the grounds I asked

736
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,059
him about pacal the Ancient King who

737
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,580
gained famous and ancient astronaut he

738
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,140
laughed and asked me if I believed in

739
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:09,360
the ancient astronaut theory I was

740
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:10,860
surprised at how knowledgeable he was

741
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,080
about the theory and the works of Eric

742
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:16,020
Von daniken he was just a white man who

743
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:17,880
came up with a way to make money he said

744
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,039
for some reason the white man always

745
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:22,620
wants answers that suit his beliefs if

746
00:27:26,110 --> 00:27:24,299
Von daniken accepted the fact that the

747
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:26,120
Maya built the cities unaided by

748
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:28,140
extraterrestrials then that would mean

749
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,059
our civilization was more advanced than

750
00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:32,100
the white man that would never do for

751
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,440
race who believed they are superior so

752
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,000
he provided an answer that was

753
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:37,919
acceptable to the world of the white man

754
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,140
people grasp onto things that make them

755
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,299
feel they are superior

756
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:44,220
do the Maya ever question who built the

757
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:47,340
cities I asked we do not have to we know

758
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:49,620
our ancestors built the cities we are

759
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:51,900
their direct descendants we know where

760
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,820
we come from and where we are going he

761
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:55,679
replied offering no further explanation

762
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,659
and that will jump a little further into

763
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:00,240
the chapter quote the next day I met Pax

764
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,340
of the ancient site are you still

765
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:04,559
interested in ancient astronauts doctora

766
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:06,419
he asked as he led me through the dense

767
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,820
jungle I watched as he hacked our way

768
00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:10,640
through the Jungle Force with a machete

769
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:12,779
occasionally he stopped and caught his

770
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,620
breath

771
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:15,360
I'm still collecting stories when

772
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,580
someone has a story to tell I said

773
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,500
I have some friends who have stories to

774
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,720
tell I talked to them yesterday they

775
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:23,520
will talk to you for those who do not

776
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:25,559
speak English I can translate

777
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,179
thanks Pax I would really like to hear

778
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:29,159
their stories I've heard that there are

779
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,100
regular settings of UFOs at Palenque

780
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:34,320
and then jumping forward again when the

781
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:35,820
ham gathered a few people to talk about

782
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:38,820
their encounters one person says quote I

783
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,740
have a story to tell the youngest of the

784
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:42,659
group began he stood up from the table

785
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,179
and picked up another Coca-Cola he was a

786
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:47,279
handsome man if I had not known better I

787
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,140
would have thought from his profile that

788
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:51,480
he was pakal whose image could be seen

789
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,100
throughout the monuments in the ancient

790
00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:55,380
city his countenance was identical to

791
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:57,179
the king of the ancient city

792
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,100
I would be honored to hear your story I

793
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,340
said my name is Mario I had an encounter

794
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,039
with four aliens about 10 years ago I

795
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:07,620
was 14 then but I still remember it it

796
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:09,299
was on my way to see my sweetheart who

797
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:11,880
is now my wife I saw him look towards

798
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,320
the house and noticed several women

799
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,020
Milling around the door he cut his

800
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,520
wife's attention and pointed her out to

801
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,620
me she looked at me and smiled

802
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,539
where were you when you saw the aliens I

803
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:24,360
asked I was on my way to see Lucinda she

804
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,620
lived about four miles from me in

805
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:28,559
another Village I was walking it was a

806
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:30,779
black dark night occasionally the moon

807
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:32,340
would come out from the clouds and cast

808
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,500
a faint light on the jungle I was

809
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:36,960
nervous a Jaguar had been seen a few

810
00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:39,059
days back I repeatedly shined my

811
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,740
flashlight around the road in the forest

812
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,899
to check for danger but suddenly the

813
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,880
light went out I shook the flashlight

814
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,279
trying to get it to come to life about

815
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:49,020
the same time a bright light appeared

816
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:50,820
over the forest and moved directly over

817
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,460
the road it stopped in front of me I

818
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,200
didn't know what to do I wanted to run

819
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:58,140
but I was paralyzed unable to move he

820
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,700
lit a cigarette All Eyes around the

821
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,960
table were on him

822
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,880
are you telling me the spacecraft landed

823
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,080
I asked

824
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,480
yes I saw steps to send from the bottom

825
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,880
of a strange round machine and four men

826
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:11,399
came out of it as they got closer their

827
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,559
silver suits glistened in the light I

828
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,899
had never seen such dress one carried

829
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,340
some kind of instrument and when he

830
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,500
pointed at me I felt sick

831
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,960
what do you mean he felt sick it was

832
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:23,880
though lightning had struck me I felt

833
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,740
needles all over my body I felt I was

834
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:28,020
burning alive then the pain stopped and

835
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:30,360
I was sick stomach ache I threw up I

836
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:31,620
remember that

837
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:34,140
what else do you recall I asked I'm not

838
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:36,659
sure possibly I passed out the next

839
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,100
thing I remember is waking up inside

840
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:40,320
their craft but I could not focus my

841
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:42,659
eyes the light was too bright there was

842
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,940
a cold dampness to the room I was lying

843
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:46,919
on my stomach on a hard surface and when

844
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,419
I tried to move I realized I was

845
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:50,700
strapped down my back was in terrible

846
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:53,460
pain I had never had back pain Panic set

847
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,320
in but before I had a chance to think of

848
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,320
a way to escape I woke outside my papa's

849
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:00,480
place off in the distance I saw a bright

850
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,059
light against a black Sky one moment it

851
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,760
was there one more winter was gone I

852
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:07,440
decided I must be dreaming and put it

853
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,500
out of my mind until I met tohill who

854
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,840
told me what happened to him he put his

855
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:14,399
hand on the shoulder of his friend who

856
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,659
sat beside him

857
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,580
have you had any further encounters I

858
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,640
asked none one was enough I heard the

859
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:22,320
men Shuffle in the background I looked

860
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,880
at them they were not laughing at Mario

861
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,159
so much as reacting to the fear of the

862
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,320
unknown I looked at his friend tohill

863
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:31,080
who until that moment had been silent

864
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,720
my friend is Shai Senora it is difficult

865
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,820
for him to tell his story I understand

866
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:38,100
that tohill you do not have to tell me I

867
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:38,820
said

868
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,159
no Senora I do want to tell I just don't

869
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,440
speak English as good as Mario I hope

870
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:44,880
you will understand me

871
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:46,860
it happened on the same row but I was

872
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:49,260
with my friend Lorenzo were you taken on

873
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:52,260
board their craft I asked sheep there

874
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,419
were four small men who take us we

875
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:56,460
fought but we were no match for them I

876
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,720
think they have some way of making you

877
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,760
helpless they took us on their ship and

878
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:01,740
put us in a room with strangers

879
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:04,440
with the strangers Maya I asked maybe

880
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,299
one or two but some were white with

881
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:08,580
yellow hair some were in nightgowns some

882
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:10,260
were dressed in I can't remember the

883
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:12,539
word he paused and spoke in Spanish to

884
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,799
his friend who did not seem to

885
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:16,320
understand what he was trying to say

886
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:18,179
were they wearing work clothes formal

887
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:20,100
clothes like evening gowns school

888
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:23,580
clothes I asked yes fancy clothes and

889
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:26,039
others different clothes it was like

890
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,240
they were all taken in the middle of

891
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,159
something else like going to bed or

892
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,500
something or working or out for the

893
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,539
evening and from your description would

894
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:35,159
you say they were all from Mexico I

895
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,799
asked I don't think so too many blondes

896
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:40,080
maybe from all over the world none of

897
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:42,419
them saw me no emotion no fight they

898
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:45,000
just sat there no movement no life in

899
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,460
them I tried to talk to one man but he

900
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,720
did not react

901
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,700
the short one saw me trying to talk to

902
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:52,620
the others and they forcibly removed me

903
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,260
to a room away from everyone he paused

904
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:57,360
and looked at Mario they forced me to

905
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,919
drink some kind of liquid that tasted

906
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:01,020
the dirt it was thick and slimy and I

907
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:02,159
almost threw up

908
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,140
after a few minutes they put me inside a

909
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:06,360
machine and turned me upside down I

910
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,860
stayed there for several minutes I could

911
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,559
not move I felt numb except I was Wide

912
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,419
Awake My Head felt like it was going to

913
00:33:16,509 --> 00:33:14,880
explode I don't know how long they kept

914
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,519
me there but the next thing I remember

915
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:18,840
Lorenzo and me were standing alone on

916
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,279
the dark Road and the craft was

917
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,600
disappearing

918
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:24,480
can you describe the craft I asked it

919
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,220
was a long cylinder it had a lot of

920
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:27,840
bright lights but the whole craft seemed

921
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,539
to glow from a bright red to an orange

922
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,860
once it settled to the ground it was a

923
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,840
light orange but the colors were some

924
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:35,580
kind of glowing lights I never figured

925
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,779
that out

926
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:38,340
can you describe the beings that

927
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,419
captured you

928
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,700
not well they were short and Powerful

929
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:43,440
they never spoke but I understood what

930
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:44,760
they wanted

931
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:46,500
do you remember any other features of

932
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,700
your abductors

933
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,919
Senora I think they drugged me because I

934
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:51,840
fought so much so everything was blurry

935
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,860
to me

936
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,480
where was your friend Lorenzo while you

937
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:56,100
were enduring their experiments I asked

938
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:58,200
I don't know I have no memory of seeing

939
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:59,940
him until we found ourselves on the road

940
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:02,460
together unquote

941
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,440
now again those of you familiar with the

942
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:06,960
data from the UFO phenomenon and who've

943
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,000
been tuning into this podcast from the

944
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:11,280
outset will recognize many of these

945
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:13,980
elements this is very common to the UFO

946
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,139
phenomenon abduction

947
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,659
missing time telepathic communication

948
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,060
people who seem to be in a daze while

949
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,760
being on board the craft Etc

950
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,200
I also want to point out something

951
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,359
really important here while the earlier

952
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,879
person she was talking to Pax talked

953
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:30,960
about believing that they actually

954
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:32,760
descended from some of these space

955
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:35,220
people some of these extraterrestrials

956
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,139
it should be noted that throughout this

957
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,879
book it's made clear that numerous

958
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,040
different kinds of beings were

959
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:43,139
encountered and again as I've said many

960
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:44,520
times I think this is one of the most

961
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,399
shocking aspects of disclosure because

962
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,440
this is not just about adding one more

963
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:51,659
type of being to our understanding of

964
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,300
reality and the environment we're in but

965
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,040
actually that there are numerous types

966
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:57,599
of beings coming from completely

967
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,460
different origin sources much of the

968
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,040
time that are actually all around us and

969
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,080
perhaps up until now because of their

970
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:06,240
sophistication we've been kept in a kind

971
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,040
of quarantine where we've not usually

972
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,560
been made aware of their presence but

973
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:12,480
they are everywhere and they go back to

974
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,220
the very beginning and there are many

975
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:17,040
many different kinds so even though many

976
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,300
of the Maya believed they actually

977
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,820
descended from a group of these beings

978
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,740
that came from the Stars quote unquote

979
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:25,260
they also counter many other types of

980
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,240
beings and it seems like certain parts

981
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,700
of the world are almost like portals for

982
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,800
both Interstellar and interdimensional

983
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,900
travel and even when I mention those two

984
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,940
terms Interstellar and inter-dimensional

985
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,980
as I said before I think in the long run

986
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:39,960
those terms will collapse into something

987
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,180
deeper and broader and that these speak

988
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:44,040
if nothing else to the lack of our true

989
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,140
understanding of the nature of reality

990
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,720
at this point which also made clear in

991
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,940
the data discussed by Clark and her

992
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:52,020
interviews with these different

993
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,380
Witnesses in Miss America and it's also

994
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:57,119
attested to throughout the UFO

995
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,619
phenomenon literature

996
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:00,660
while some people want to paint this as

997
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,579
all love and light or all demons in

998
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,500
darkness two extremes on the Spectrum

999
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,720
but I think the data tells us that we

1000
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:08,579
have quite a spectrum that goes kind of

1001
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,500
across the gamut and this speaks to

1002
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,420
different developmental levels of these

1003
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:14,460
different groups so again I think we do

1004
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,260
a disaris to the data when we try to

1005
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,599
reduce it to one kind of thing one group

1006
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,000
operating at one kind of Developmental

1007
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:23,700
level the truth is much more complex as

1008
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:25,619
is the case in our everyday world as

1009
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:27,240
well of course

1010
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,920
and now we're going to jump forward into

1011
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:31,200
the book to chapter 43 which is titled

1012
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:34,200
they avoid tourists this actually speaks

1013
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:35,820
to the changes that have happened in

1014
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,280
mesoamerica how some places have become

1015
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,500
tourist hot spots that used to be quite

1016
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,720
remote and how this changed this

1017
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,460
transformation while it has brought some

1018
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:46,800
additional wealth to the area does not

1019
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,740
come without some significant costs

1020
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,800
including in terms of the interactions

1021
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,240
with these other kinds of beings

1022
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,700
including the sky people who the Maya

1023
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,560
believed they descend from

1024
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,260
quoting from this chapter quote five

1025
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,079
decades ago no one knew about Cancun in

1026
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,240
1969 a huge building project was

1027
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:08,700
launched and by 1974 an international

1028
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,640
airport and three luxury hotels have

1029
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:14,400
been built to draw tourists today Cancun

1030
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:15,660
is one of the Premier holiday

1031
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:17,880
destinations in North America

1032
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,619
in this chapter you will hear from an

1033
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,660
elder who tells how the real Sky people

1034
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,240
quit coming to the Yucatan with the

1035
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,599
Advent of the tourist industry unquote

1036
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:29,280
now jumping forward in that chapter

1037
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:32,339
quote chalk the Elder who had agreed to

1038
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,260
talk with me came from the back of the

1039
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,480
house and welcomed us I was immediately

1040
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:39,359
mesmerized by his smile he held out his

1041
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:41,700
hand to me his gentle warm touch put me

1042
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,760
at ease he offered us orange juice from

1043
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,380
his Orchard while he arranged some

1044
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:48,240
wooden stools for us to sit

1045
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:50,099
when I was a boy they used to come here

1046
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:53,099
they quit coming in the mid 70s

1047
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,780
do you have any idea why they stopped

1048
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,339
visiting the area

1049
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,320
the old ones say they've disapproved to

1050
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,359
the tourists coming to the area the

1051
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:02,700
Yucatan was home of the Maya until the

1052
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,060
1960s the Mexicans left us alone the

1053
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:08,160
government left us alone the men from

1054
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,140
the Stars considered the Yucatan their

1055
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:12,420
second home but after the tourists came

1056
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,180
the purity of the Yucatan was lost the

1057
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,760
sky people don't like tourists I

1058
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,320
understood the changes he was addressing

1059
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,780
the development of Cancun have made for

1060
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:23,220
drastic alterations throughout the

1061
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:24,300
Yucatan

1062
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:25,980
do you remember the days when the sky

1063
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,980
people came to visit I asked see

1064
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,900
can you tell me about those days

1065
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:32,760
I remember this one time it was a

1066
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,980
celebration all the old men from the

1067
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,720
village and nearby Villages were present

1068
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:39,660
we feasted on Turkey Peppers beans and

1069
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,420
tortillas there was so much food when

1070
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:44,339
all of a sudden over the village a sky

1071
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:46,859
machine appeared can you describe it I

1072
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,700
asked

1073
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,920
it was round and big it covered the

1074
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:51,720
whole village it turned a bright sunny

1075
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,359
day into a dark day it shaded the sun

1076
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,400
blue Sparks of light spit up from

1077
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,560
underneath it was quite a sight for a

1078
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,720
boy like me I had never seen lights

1079
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,940
before it stayed that way for the

1080
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,680
longest time and everyone just sat there

1081
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:06,720
staring Upward at this object from the

1082
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,560
sky

1083
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,619
was there any fear no we knew about the

1084
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:12,599
sky people we were not afraid of them

1085
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:14,760
the sky machine hung overhead for what

1086
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,740
seemed like a long time but it was

1087
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,500
probably only minutes then three Sky men

1088
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,420
appeared they walked directly to the

1089
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,040
elders and escorted them on board the

1090
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:25,619
ship after an hour or so the others came

1091
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:26,940
out of the ship

1092
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:29,640
can you describe the sky men I asked

1093
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,619
they look like us except they were

1094
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,320
taller we were a shorter version of them

1095
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:36,000
did the elders tell you anything about

1096
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:38,099
their meeting only that they talked

1097
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,720
about the future of the earth and how

1098
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,760
the population growth and greed would

1099
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:43,680
bring about its destruction

1100
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:45,180
did they explain to you how this might

1101
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:46,200
occur

1102
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,500
they said diseases no food and Wars

1103
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:51,839
would destroy the Earth as we know it

1104
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:53,400
now jumping a little forward in the

1105
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,460
story Dr Clark says you spoke about a

1106
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,500
machine that came from the sky and the

1107
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,240
elders entered the machine to speak with

1108
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,520
the sky men I've heard that the elders

1109
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:04,680
could travel in space can you tell me

1110
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,619
anything about that I asked there is a

1111
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,660
place on each pyramid that is the portal

1112
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:12,000
to the Stars the elders would enter the

1113
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:14,339
portal to travel in Space the elders

1114
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,740
traveled to meet the sky people that is

1115
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:19,200
how they knew so much about the universe

1116
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,480
do they continue to do that today I

1117
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:23,760
asked chalk paused and finished his

1118
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:25,260
glass of orange juice

1119
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,180
when the tourists came the sky people

1120
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,800
chose to stay away

1121
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:31,200
the portals were closed we believe

1122
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,240
someday they will open again but not

1123
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,220
until the tourists leave

1124
00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:36,720
do you believe that there will be a day

1125
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,140
when there are no tourists

1126
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:41,760
it is coming that they will come when

1127
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,260
the world is too dangerous for travel

1128
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:46,380
and people will stay home Cancun will be

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00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:48,300
replaced by jungle again

1130
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:50,099
why will it become too dangerous to

1131
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,060
travel

1132
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,280
there will be diseases at first people

1133
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,619
will be afraid to leave their homes food

1134
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,359
will become scarce because there will be

1135
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:59,880
no one to produce it then the wars will

1136
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,839
come

1137
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:02,339
what do you think will happen to the

1138
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,619
Maya when these events occur

1139
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,200
we will survive we have always survived

1140
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,540
we will just disappear into the jungles

1141
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,060
and wait until the Earth is reborn and

1142
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,460
the fifth world begins it has been

1143
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:16,740
foretold by the wise men it will happen

1144
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:20,099
you should take heed unquote

1145
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:22,140
now that last section was interesting

1146
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,119
not just because again it speaks to the

1147
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,220
Maya's belief that they actually descend

1148
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:28,140
from some of these Sky people from some

1149
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,940
of these civilizations of

1150
00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:32,400
extraterrestrial intelligence but they

1151
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,859
actually believe also that a cataclysm

1152
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,020
of sorts awaits Humanity partly because

1153
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,599
of its own foolishness and again we find

1154
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,520
that echoed in many many different

1155
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,680
Traditions a kind of end times that is

1156
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:46,380
foretold not just in Christianity but in

1157
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:48,839
numerous indigenous traditions and other

1158
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,060
Traditions found around the world and of

1159
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,560
course as I've said before on this

1160
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,320
podcast many many experiencers encounter

1161
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,540
this kind of apocalyptic Vision when

1162
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,760
they encounter various of these others

1163
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:01,440
and you could argue that that's been

1164
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,540
ramping up of late

1165
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:05,820
now let's go to the conclusions that

1166
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:08,040
Clark draws after considering her

1167
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,619
various interviews over years and years

1168
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,440
with various Maya quoting from the

1169
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:16,079
epilogue Clark writes quote as I

1170
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:17,339
complete this book there is one

1171
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,900
resounding fact that haunted me

1172
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,359
throughout my journey among the Maya the

1173
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,800
Maya say that when they reached

1174
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:24,839
mesoamerica they brought their knowledge

1175
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,599
with them this fact sets the Maya apart

1176
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:30,240
from other indigenous groups a closer

1177
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:32,099
examination reveals that nowhere in the

1178
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:34,320
ancient stories of the Maya is there a

1179
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:35,880
declaration that they learned the

1180
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,520
secrets of civilization on Earth they

1181
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,440
have no myths of great teachers or

1182
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,180
individuals who taught them how to live

1183
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,820
they have no Legends of Gods coming from

1184
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,800
the west or the east or from any other

1185
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:49,440
direction so when the Spaniards arrived

1186
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,240
the Maya did not welcome them with open

1187
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,700
arms instead they kept out of sight and

1188
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,740
hid in the jungle when the Spaniards

1189
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:58,319
came near them unlike the Aztecs and

1190
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,359
other indigenous groups the Maya clearly

1191
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,700
did not regard the Spaniards as Gods

1192
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:05,160
quote unquote I spoke with one Elder

1193
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,020
Maya Who told me that Maya did not view

1194
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,880
the Spaniards as technologically

1195
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,280
advanced we knew technologically

1196
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:13,800
advanced civilizations we came from one

1197
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,040
the Spaniards were not Superior to us to

1198
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:18,960
me this statement speaks volumes and

1199
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,480
bolsters my view that the Maya were not

1200
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,180
assisted by aliens from space they were

1201
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:27,060
the space Travelers unquote

1202
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:29,339
and in the concluding paragraph of this

1203
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,280
book Clark says quote at the conclusion

1204
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,800
of his exploration Stevens insisted that

1205
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:37,079
the ruins he had investigated were those

1206
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,780
of a great indigenous civilization born

1207
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:42,000
of an inherent genius apart from the

1208
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,339
influence of any known group

1209
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,440
I believe that Steven's conclusions were

1210
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:48,960
far more prophetic than he realized and

1211
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:50,760
spending countless days and weeks with

1212
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,099
the Maya I am convinced that they came

1213
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,099
to Earth the spaceman Were Us was an

1214
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:58,859
expression I heard repeatedly from my

1215
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,260
research I believe the Maya of today are

1216
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,119
the descendants of those who came to

1217
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,640
planet Earth from another world they

1218
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:07,980
were not assisted by alien astronauts

1219
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,370
and on that note we've come to the close

1220
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,660
of another edition of the point of

1221
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,880
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1225
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